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Example error?

The "Example" seems to refer solely to Questia, rather than to anything to do with OUP. Is this intentional? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:08, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No, that's an artifact from using the Questia page as a template. Working on a OUP example today. The Interior (Talk) 18:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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Alumni access

As an alumnus, I'm not applying (for now!) since I assume (based on past examples) that I should be able to apply for this based on my alumnus status, and thus should not be taking away the opportunity from others.

However, as has been done by similar programs in the past, please can you provide links on how to do so - not least, to avoid alumni taking up space on this programme that could be better used by others. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure alumni don't get this package - but they do get JSTOR, as I do. However any UK resident should be able to get these at home via their local library, which the page should say. Manchester Libraries allow any UK resident to register with them, in case your local library doesn't - see http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200062/libraries/78/join_the_library. The process is a tad odd - if you are asked if you are accessing via Cardiff libraries, say yes - I think they handled the national deal with OUP. Wiki at Royal Society John (talk) 13:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

My library (both City and Shire Councils) only gives me access to the ODNB, which is why I'd applied for this OUP offer. I have HighBeam courtesy of Wikipedia and pay for my own Questia but no JStor unfortunately. I hadn't realised anyone could sign up under Manchester Library so have just registered there - I wasn't asked anything about accessing via Cardiff libraries though? Thanks for the tip as it means I can remove my name from this list now. SagaciousPhil - Chat 15:15, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't go through Manchester myself, but at a certain point when logging in I get a couple of options, of which Cardiff is one, and works, recognising my library number. The Manchester package doesn't seem to include American National Biography, and Oxford Bibliographies Online, but has the rest; this may be typical of UK library packages, but they have other useful stuff. Let us know how you get on! Johnbod (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Have people been approved from that list?

I put myself down for access to Grove on at 23:14, 6 May 2014 , 106 on the list and have not heard a thing. Access to Grove would be very useful for the articles on Baroque music I have been expanding and writing.Smeat75 (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I was also wondering how this was progressing. I signed up in April for the ODNB but haven't heard anything back. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys, if you are under 130 on the list and are not indented you have been approved, we're just waiting on processing and distribution. Thanks for your patience. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:49, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks, Nikkimaria. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:14, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Is that under 130 or at and below 130? You'll see why I have a particular interest in that fine point of distinction. - - MrBill3 (talk) 05:42, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

There are 150 accounts available. I believe Nikkimaria was referring to how many users have been evaluated. The Interior (Talk) 08:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

That's correct, and I'm past 130 now - I just didn't want to say everyone who isn't indented is checked and good to go, because chances are as soon as I say that someone new will appear ;-) Nikkimaria (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

• Now that I'm approved, assuming I am (which may be incorrect, I'm listed at 1), how do I get the appropriate authentications? --Bejnar (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

• You are indeed. We will shortly be sending out a link to a form for users to fill out, enabling us to process accounts. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

• I submitted the form immediately after receiving the email three and a half weeks ago, on July 17, and I haven't heard anything since. I hope it's simply taking a while to process things, but I just wanted to make sure my information hasn't somehow gotten lost somewhere along the way.... Thanks for any update you can provide. MANdARAX o XA?Ab?AM 22:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
• It's now been over a month since I submitted the form. Has anybody received access? If nobody's gotten it yet, that's fine; I understand that things can take time, and I'm certainly not trying to nag. I'm just wondering if everybody else has been processed but something went wrong with my account. Perhaps Nikkimaria knows something? MANdARAX o XA?Ab?AM 18:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Same here, I guess it just takes time.--Tomobe03 (talk) 21:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• We pass the form results on to the people at Oxford, and then they need to actually activate accounts, so unfortunately that's not a timeline we have control over. We're hoping it will happen very soon, but I can't give firm dates at this point. Apologies again for the delay. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for the replies. No need to apologize. I wasn't complaining or getting impatient - simply wanted to verify that it wasn't just me. MANdARAX o XA?Ab?AM 22:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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thank you

 Thank you very much! Yoav Nachtailer (talk) 11:23, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks

Got it at last! Apart from thanking the Wikipedians who helped to make this happen, I'd like to thank the OUP for making this really useful access available to us. Is there an email address I could write to, or could someone convey thanks on my behalf (or on behalf of a group if others want to join me in this)? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I echo what JLAN said. Thank you. THank you. Thank you to everyone involved. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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New reference tool

There is a new Visual Editor reference feature in development called Citoid. It is designed to "auto-fill" references using a URL or DOI. We would really appreciate you testing whether TWL partners' references work in Citoid. Sharing your results will help the developers fix bugs and improve the system. If you have a few minutes, please visit the testing page for simple instructions on how to try this new tool. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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Renewal

OUP has proposed a renewal and expansion of the program. Because this renewal has three streams instead of one, and because some waitlist entries have been pending for so long, I've moved the waitlist here and am pinging all entries. If you are still interested in access, please move your application back to the main page and specify which stream(s) you would like. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC) @Alexander Doria, Hack, Homoatrox, Melly42, Biblioworm, Brianann MacAmhlaidh, and Tony1: Nikkimaria (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC) @Jefferyseow, Mike Christie, TeleD, The Land, Shabidoo, and Rodomonte: Nikkimaria (talk) 23:21, 25 September 2015 (UTC) @Cpt.a.haddock, Carrite, The Discoverer, INM, AmateurEditor, Ca$e, and Parkwells: Nikkimaria (talk) 23:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC) @Jmbranum, Thine Antique Pen, Trust Is All You Need, Prioryman, Atsme, Ghirlandajo, and TodorBozhinov: Nikkimaria (talk) 23:25, 25 September 2015 (UTC) @Smkolins, Oceanh, Manxruler, Leif Czerny, and Justlettersandnumbers: Nikkimaria (talk) 23:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC) @Winner 42, Xover, Reify-tech, Blarcrean, and Peripatetic: Nikkimaria (talk) 23:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Do accounts that have been approved last year need to be renewed, and if so, how is the process? --FordPrefect42 (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

If you've previously held an account that has now expired, just add your name to the application list - to get the same resources as last year, indicate the Scholarship stream. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:26, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

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Processing delay

Note for all: My apologies for the continued delay in processing requests - there has been a slight issue on the distribution side that we hope to resolve as soon as possible. I will let you know as soon as I have more information. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

As promised, here is the "more information": distribution of Scholarship and Law accounts will begin within the next few days. Distribution of Journals accounts happens via a different process and so will both now and going forward take 1-2 weeks longer than the other two options. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:44, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

For everyone whose username now appears here, OUP is in the process of creating your logins (with the above proviso that journal requests will take longer). If you were approved but are not listed there, that means that as of this morning you had not completed the registration form that was sent out by email - you need to do this even if you did it last year. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Nikkimaria Thank you for the update. They're not real swift on getting this done. I see some have been waiting since September. And if they're in the United States, we won't be expecting anything this holiday week either. But thank you for your efforts. -- Maile (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Maile66: They're planning on getting Law and Scholarship accounts set up and sent out before American Thanksgiving; not sure about Journals. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

To clarify, that's Law and Scholarship accounts for people already listed here. For anyone approved but not listed there, the holiday will indeed affect processing - for fastest results please fill out the form linked from the approval email ASAP (the email should indicate which stream(s)), and let me know if you didn't get it. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Update: All Journals recipients who completed the form by 16 November should now have received their logins. For everyone who completed the form by this past Friday (4 December), OUP is in the process of generating logins for you (with the continued caveat that Journals take longer). Nikkimaria (talk) 17:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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Email

@Nikkimaria: just noted that you told me to expect and email shortly 8 days ago, but I can't for the life of me find one. Has it not been sent? (apologies if I've not yet waited out the shortly time :D) --Errant ^(chat!) 14:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

@ErrantX: It was sent - if it's not in your spam folder please email me and I'll forward. @Everyone: "shortly" in this case means within the hour unless I say otherwise - if you also didn't get the email please let me know ASAP. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Mailed you. I think the gremlins have the original... --Errant ^(chat!) 14:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Citation format

Hi, I see that there's a {{ODNBsub}} template for use when citing the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Are there other templates that need to be used for the other resources that have been made available? Then there's also {{ODNBweb}}. Some clarity on this will be excellent. Cheers.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 07:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cpt.a.haddock, you can either use source-specific templates like {{ODNBweb}} or a more general citation format - as long as all the components are included, their formatting isn't too important. {{ODNBsub}} is useful in any citation type to show people that the source can be accessed either by subscription or, in the UK, public library membership, but note that it's not in itself a full citation. {{ODNBweb}} is, as are the similar templates {{GroveOnline}} and {{Cite ANB}}. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Thanks. I've used {{cite ODNB}} like so, {{cite ODNB|last1=Raychaudhuri|first1=Tapan|authorlink1=Tapan Raychaudhuri|title=Gopal, Sarvepalli (1923-2002)|url=http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/94961|accessdate=25 November 2015|date=Oct 2008}} as it's the most succinct of the lot. If you think it's OK, I'll go ahead and add this as an example to the project page. Cheers.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 16:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Cpt.a.haddock: Sure, sounds good, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Is this all there is to it?

I have just received my access name and password and have been browsing. Don't get me wrong. I'm grateful for the opportunity. But maybe I'm not using it correctly, because it certainly doesn't live up to its promise. I got access to 10 products through Scholarship and tried them all. What I found is "not much". Extremely limited on the scope of subjects. Almost anything I looked for wasn't there. These sites don't seem to be real research opportunities, as much as they are one or two brief (very brief) overview articles on a given subject. All surface fluff and little details. Wikipedia itself has much more thorough information on a given subject. And by comparison, Jstor is much more informative and useful. Even Google books and all its limitation far exceeds this. So far, I found nothing of use to me. I guess I feel let down. I can't imagine using this to raise any article to Featured, or even to start one for DYK. What am I missing in how to use this? -- Maile (talk) 16:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Maile66: A couple of things. First, there was a small confusion around what was included in this stream, which led to two broader resources accidentally being replaced by three narrower ones - this is in the process of being fixed and should be resolved by the end of the day. Second, I expect your level of success will really depend on what you are looking for. The two broader resources coming in today cover a range of subjects, but many of the others are narrower, so it helps to be aware of what will be useful to you. For example, Grove is very helpful to someone who writes music-related articles, but far less so to someone who does not; ODNB and ANB are great for UK/US biographies. What kind of information are you looking for? What kind of articles would you like to write? Nikkimaria (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, for instance, I was looking to supplement existing articles on Texas history. The articles on the Alamo or anything to do with Texas are scant to non existent on relevant subject matter. Oh, let's say Sam Houston, probably the largest figure in Texas history. ANB has one article. It's a brief overview, at best. I've also written many articles on women in America. Most of those names are not there. There is, for instance, no article on Jimmy or Rosalynn Carter, at least not searching by their names on ANB. You'd think they'd at least have all the presidents. Yes, I went through the others for other subject matters. I searched Grove Art for some artists by name, came up empty. AASC is similarly limited on the subject matter. So far, not of use to me. -- Maile (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. Like many biographical encyclopedias, ANB does not cover living people (more about inclusion criteria here). I do see a few Texas history figures, though, and there may be more articles in the upcoming resources. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I guess this explains why the current president of the US is not in there. Thanks for the opportunity. Really, I appreciate it. But you have done a lot of reviews, so you can probably understand why I don't think this resource is useful to anyone getting articles ready for reviews. Oxford just isn't up to the task. -- Maile (talk) 17:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ @Maile66: I'm not sure if any dictionary/encyclopaedia can provide anything more than a broad overview of any subject. For access to full-blown books on subjects of your choice, Questia might be more to your liking. You can figure out which books will be the most helpful using OBO articles such as this and this. Good luck!--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 18:20, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Cpt.a.haddock Thank you. I just started my Questia account, which looks fascinating. And thanks to your example, I see how OBO can aid in that. -- Maile (talk) 20:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Oxford Handbooks Online

Can anyone else access this site? I have logins for the others but it doesn't work on this one. czar 23:45, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

@Czar: Just looking into this for you. Harrias ^talk 12:10, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

@Harrias, any luck? czar 20:53, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@Czar: I sent you an email about this, did you get it? Harrias ^talk 14:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@Harrias, nope--would you please send it again? mail czar czar 16:17, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@Czar: Sent again. Harrias ^talk 17:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@Harrias, didn't get that one either. I just sent you an email so now you have my address. czar 16:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Recent access requests

There are quite a few OUP access requests that are pending approval. Would it be possible for the account coordinators to have a look? Thanks. --Dada (talk) 14:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Who's Who and Who was Who

May i know whether the account covers Who's Who and Who was Who? Thank you. --Clithering (talk) 04:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Don't believe so, no. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

How long are these active?

I haven't used mine for a while. Mine were activated November and December 2015. As of today, Oxford (all of them) tell me there is no account under my user name. -- Maile (talk) 18:42, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, I think I know what happened. But something needs to be said on the project page that these are 1 year accounts, subject to renewal. For whatever reason, it has marked all my individual OUR accesses as "renewal declined". Four of them are not due to expire until Dec 31, 2016, but they have already been marked as "renewal declined". Was that survey we took a covert way of finding out whose account they didn't want to renew? -- Maile (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

No, but based on the approval date it makes sense that they'd all be expired now - I'm not sure why some would be showing a later date. I've added the date limit to the project page, and you're welcome to apply for renewal. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into this, I'm not sure we have a renewal strategy set up right now. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 10:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Dictionary of African Biography

Hi there,
I would be interested in one of those OUP scholarships. I'd like to access the Dictionary of African Biography - is that possible with that OUP scholarship, is it covered? Thank you! --Jcornelius (talk) 12:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Referencing

Dear readers, I have a question regarding the OUP "Reference" website. I searched up a certain historical figure (Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher) in Oxford Reference, and I got two hits that seem to be interesting. However, how can I now actually further view the sources itself? Sorry if this is a really "newb-like" question, but we all have to start somewhere don't we, haha. Bests and thanks in advance. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:21, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: For technical help with using OUP's website you might have better luck asking them directly through their support system. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 15:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Alrightttt. Will do. Thanks - LouisAragon (talk) 03:53, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I'm not sure if you're having a technical issue or are looking for a tutorial. I've been using their site for a while, so I may be able to help with the latter if you clarify your issue. Eperoton (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

You need to log in on the left pane to view the full content. Also, be aware that their search engine isn't so hot, so try multiple queries. For example, "Blücher" gives more results, including an overview page. HTH. Eperoton (talk) 04:05, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Eperoton:, hi, sorry for the late response. Ping acts weird sometimes as you might know. I'll try to show more explicitly what I mean.

Ok I just logged in again through the left pane, and typed "Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher" in its search engine. I end up here. Two books show up, as you can see. Now lets say we choose the first one (A Dictionary of World History (3 ed.)). How can I now see more of the "material" about Blucher in particular from this book? This is namely all that I can see atm: "Blücher, Gebhard Leberecht von (1742-1819) Prussian field-marshal, whose victories were due more to dash and energy than to military tactics. Forced to surrender to the French in 1806, he helped to re-create his country's opposition to Napoleon, and was commander-in-chief of the armies in their victory at Leipzig in 1813. The following year he led the invasion of France, gaining a major victory at Laon, which led to the overthrow of Napoleon. He retired to Silesia, only to be recalled when Napoleon returned. His intervention at a late stage of the battle of Waterloo was decisive.".

So basically, in other words; 1) how can I view the source more clearly, other than these few lines I cited above? 2) how can I actually cite the material? (for that you need to be able to see the page etc, apart from some specific stuff that was explained in the tutorial). Hope I managed to make my issue a tad more clear now. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 03:08, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: The text you've quoted is the entire entry on that figure in that particular book. As you can see in the search results (your first link), it's 98 word long. The "related content" links on the left might have a bit more. Note also that oxfordreference.com is just one part of Oxford Scholarship, along with oxfordscholarship.com (books), oxfordhandbooks.com, and others.

The main page of this project has an example citation. I prefer a slightly different format, which you can see at User:Eperoton/Sources. HTH. Eperoton (talk) 03:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

A few notes on OUP renewal/accounts that may be of interest

Just got my access to OUP renewed (thank you so much for coordinating Cameron11598!), and a few random points I noticed in connection with that that may be of either use or of interest to someone:

• Renewal ended up creating new accounts instead of extending access for the existing accounts.
• The OUP "Account Management System" (central auth for OUP services) stores your password in plain text, and even displays the password in the web interface. This is about as poor a security practice as can be imagined, so you really don't want to use a password that's valid anywhere else here. I recommend a password manager and a randomly generated password anyway, but particularly for these sites.
• The American National Biography site doesn't use the AMS system, so your password here will be separate from the other OUP services, even if it will initially be set to the same text string. The ANB site also doesn't appear to provide any way for you to change the initial password, so once you change it on the other sites (and you really should do that ASAP!), you will no longer have the same password on all the OUP services (but a password manager will take care of that for you, they're really quite nifty! Did I mention I recommend them?).

Anyways, just a few random observations left here in case anyone finds them useful. --Xover (talk) 10:00, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

That's really useful information Xover, thanks for posting it! Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 15:40, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Journals stream seems to be no longer active, but the ODNB/etc is?

As mentioned in the header, my Journals subscription seems to have gone away but the ODNB/ANB/etc sub is still working? Do I need to renew the Journals or something? Ealdgyth - Talk 01:19, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Benezit

Last year we had access to the Benezit Dictionary of Artists as part of the OxfordArt subscription, but it seems we no longer do. Is that intentional/ an oversight/ something that could be fixed? It's not such a useful resource as Grove, but it has wider coverage, and that is sometimes valuable. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:08, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Security reset

I just got an email from OUP that our passwords had to be reset due to some security concern - The email is addressed to Wikipedia Foundation. I followed the steps to have a new password mailed to me, but I haven't received one. I think one of our volunteers may need to follow up on this? Seraphim System ^(talk) 19:36, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey @Seraphim System: I'll look into this. (cc: @Samwalton9 (WMF):)--Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 17:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Cameron11598: Thanks, I had forgotten about this but I was able to get it working again Seraphim System ^(talk) 17:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Seraphim System: Oh well I'll email my oup contact and let them know. --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 18:31, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

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